Previous | Next | 2001 Index | Newsletter Index
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 4:17 PM
Subject: Incline Club V5 LR #7
Hi all,
I am happy to report that ICer Dan V had his baby:-) Well his wife Denise had the baby. Julian was born on the 2nd at 11:08 weighing in at 5lbs 11ozs. Everything went fine and all is OK. Some of this year’s newbies may not remember Dan because he moved last year but he was a club regular and I for one miss him. When I have spoken to Dan on several occasions he says he really misses the club. He is running with a Kenyan however and doing some really Kenyan style workouts like 1h20mins of repeats on a small hill! If any of you that know Dan could take the time to give a congrats call at 970-249-9041 I know that you could really make his day!
###
Sunday, January 7, 8 a.m. meet at Soda Springs Park.
Run out the Ute Pass Trail and turn right and then cross Hwy 24 and do the
Waldo Canyon lollipop loop in either direction. Cross back over Hwy 24 (be
careful) then go straight and head up Longs Ranch Road which connects back
into the Barr Trail at No Name Creek (***HEAD LEFT AND RUN THE SMALL DETOUR
OVER TOWARDS THE INCLINE TO AVOID THE ICE). Turn right at the trail
intersection that will take you back to the Barr Trail and run down the Barr
Trail to finish the loop. 2.5-3.5 hours. If it would take longer just do
either the Waldo or Longs Ranch Road loop!
----
That’s right, it is time to make the long run a little longer:-) Also I
think we should try to avoid the ice rink at No Name Creek at all costs. Its
just not worth the risk so please consider learning the little detour that
should not add but a few minutes to your run and you will get to go under a
really cool rock — watch your head!!! I will bring the issue up Tuesday at
the Friends of the Peak meeting but I don’t think much can be done for this
season.
As far as the long runs go there is an interesting thread taking place on
the Pikes Peak Forum. A guy named Steve has asked some very good questions
about the ICs long runs:
Steve on Tuesday, January 02, 2001 — 03:42 pm
Maybe I’m a heretic. Perhaps this is contrary to Incline Club protocol
but... 3-3.5 hours seems like a hell of a lengthy long run. Especially every
week. I’ll admit I haven’t been training for years and years. Due to this
inexperience, I’ve been reading as much as I can find on training for
marathons (lots of info) and trail running (not much). One of the articles
in Runner’s World says that 3 hours is the max time you should run in
training. Another says that 2.5-3 hour long runs every second week are
enough. I’d like to hear some thoughts from both the elites and my fellow
sloggers.
You will need to go to the forum to see the answer I posted. I could post it here but I am hoping a few of you will take the time to give your viewpoint too. The question was raised in two parts of the forum at www.runpikespeak.com/forum.
####
Doug L writes:
Do snowshoe 10K’s count as IC days :-)? Thinking of doing one Sunday, if not
will probably make it down to join group.
(Matt C adds: Snowshoe runs are on (or at least over) trail or dirt so yes a 10K or more counts — just send in the “R” report)
####
Jim L writes:
I had a question regarding the ‘r’ report. If you participate in a
race/trail run but it is held on Saturday right here in Colorado, then that
would not count for an ‘r’? Thanks. The Sunday group is a great bunch, I
meet a couple more nice folks every
Sunday
(Matt C adds: Several wanted the Saturday option but it is for out of state races because it is so hard to get back home in time for the Sunday run. However many of us run Saturday races that are close by and have no problem running with the club the next day. Albeit, we often run slower and for a shorter loop. The Winter Series (plug, plug) is one such set of races that many ICers do the day before the club run.)
####
Well done to Paul S and Rick H for approaching the TCR board and getting the
top 10 overall awards reinstated! This year there was going to only be a top
5 and I think it is really neat that the TCR board took the time to listen
to Paul and Rick and rethink the decision. The Incline Club knows better
than any club about getting in the top 10. We have had about 25 top 10s at
the PPA/M in the last 3 years alone!
####
Marty T writes:
I just thought I would drop you a line to let you know whats going on. Adolf
has church responsibilities on Sundays at 8 am. I am going for a cortizon
shot to my lower back in 1 week then I will run with Adolf on and off.
####
Mike K writes:
Hey Matt I want to get a GPS receiver and since you seem to know quite a bit
about them maybe you can clue me (and any other IC’er) in on the finer
points. I have a few questions: Does yours have altitude capability and how
easy is it to set up, as in do you need to set the barometric pressure
before every use? What if you were on a mountain and a low pressure storm
came in, would this throw off the GPS? You have also mentioned plotting data
points and later downloading them to your own map data base to create a
custom trail map. How is this done? Do you have a Topo or other program?
(Matt C adds: I have a Garmin 12CX. But all GPSs are simple to use. For the most part you turn them on and go. Altitude (as well as position) is figured out by triangulation of satellites (really 4 are needed out of the possible 24 for good 3D accuracy but if you want to know the details just type in GPS in any search engine). Bottom line is you don’t have to set up anything and weather does not matter unless your GPS gets hit by lightning but I think you will be worrying about more than your altitude at that point;-) I find that the altitude and location reads within 0-50 feet at known points. In some of the deeper canyons like the top end of Ruxton things can get a little wild as far as readings when you don’t have good line of sight on the needed satellites. The program I used is called Topo! Again that is super simple, you go for a run and when you get back you plug it into your computer, open Topo! and hit “import from GPS” and you get really cool maps like the one at www.runpikespeak.com/course.htm. The 3D view you will see I just put up using a program TopoUSA. I am still playing with that one. I want to make a bigger and more detailed map but my Pentium 60 (yes sixty) is too slow to make anything much bigger. I know, I know upgrade you PC. But every time I get ready to do so they come out with a faster chip! I am sure when I am 80 I will be typing on my P60 saying “well they are about to release the P57,800,000 so wait a little longer.” See Keith G’s report on his GPS run last week and perhaps he can send in something to add to your questions. Keith got the cool little Garmin Summit model that makes altitude graphs as you run! Our models do not have built in maps in them and this may be important to you if you want to use it for your car. However there are no good maps yet for running on trails and I find that plugging a GPS into a laptop is far better for use in the car anyway.)
####
Eck Z writes:
I ran the trail that turns off to the right at the 1/2 mile mark to Barr
Camp sign many years ago. Rather than turning towards the Elk Park Trail
where the trail forks I went right. It was difficult to find any resemblance
of a trail so I went cross country until I ran into trail 638. I have not
been back since. With so many people up there in the last decade there may
even be an expressway back there — have fun!
(Matt C adds: We learned the hard way (or rather the fun way) that the trail was indeed hard to find in the middle of the two more well known sections! 6 of us (Rick H, Kees G, Andy D, Jonathan C, Matt C, Keith G and I think Jim L — I am sorry to say I can not be 100% even though I asked (lack of O2)) pulled off a really neat loop that brought us into the Elk Park trail just as planned. Keith did a slightly different route that brought him out at the 1/2 mile to BC sign.)
####
Keith G writes:
Knowing that Matt (and some of the other Incline runners) would be exploring
new trails branching off from the “7.8 miles to the Summit” sign, I started
early. I knew I would not be able to stay with them and figured they would
catch me somewhere on the new unexplored trail. What I did not know was
that they would run up Barr trail. I went the usual Ute trail, Longs ranch,
Bob’s road to Barr trail and finally to the 7.8 mile sign.
When I got to the sign, I saw new tracks heading off onto this new trail. I just figured hikers or other runners were exploring some of these trails. I followed the fresh tracks and my GPS device until the tracks were taking me too far from where I thought I needed to head. I then basically bush-whacked my way up some steep climb and finally found what seemed to be a trail again. The trail was hard to follow in spots but I did come across a sleeping bag. There was no-one home and no other articles around.
I would now and then come across the set of fresh tracks I had followed earlier, but they appeared to be wandering much like myself. At times I would also be following some relatively fresh mountain lion tracks. This is not a good feeling when you are all alone and no-one knows where you are. I did finally meet back up with the trail that brought me out to Barr trail at the “1/2 mile to Barr Camp” sign. By the time I had jogged back down to the No-Name ice mass, I heard a runner behind me... it was Matt. After talking to Matt, I then realized Matt, Rick, Kees and other Incline runners had been the ones that broke trail before me and had gotten there before me by coming straight up Barr trail. I jogged back to Soda Springs with Matt and was truly beat by the time I finished (4:35:00). Total for run... 4750 feet of elevation gain, 17.5 miles of trail and bush-whacking... a good run to end the year with...
####
Mike P writes:
Happy New Year, Matt. I’ve been thinking lately and my mind was drawn to
an “announcement” you sent out to the mailing list about three years ago
regarding expressed concerns about religious conflict with the Sunday
Run. I have those concerns and would like to rack up as many Incline
Club runs as possible, but I won’t let that desire interfere with my
beliefs regarding Sunday. If there is anything you can suggest, I would
be grateful. If not, I’ll be there for the Thursday workouts! Thanks.
(Matt C adds: Every once in a while the request is sent out via the newsletter for a Saturday group. One time we got about 6 people interested but they could not come up with a consensus as to the time and wanted it anywhere from 5.am. to 9.am. so it never happened. I am not asking for a count now because I don’t have the time to do a Saturday run. However if somebody wants to step forward and run the show I will be happy to help in any way that I can. More running is good no matter when and where it is done.)
####
Laila H writes:
Question, if I want to post something to the Incline Club newsletter, do I
just send it to this address? How late could I send a message so it gets
posted by Thursday’s letter?
(Matt C adds: Yes, just send it to me and I will post it. I have tried for the most part to avoid stuff from non ICers but pretty much anything goes from ICers. Also, and as stated before, I don’t make the list available to the public because frankly I do not think that is wise. I am sure there are more than a few people who would like to get an e-mail list of about 300 runners to SPAM. Like I always say, you may consider this mail junk but it is not SPAM because you asked to be on the list. If an ICer asks for a specific person’s e-mail address I will send it to them or if there is some question as to the motive I will forward your request on to that person. Generally I try to post Sunday runs by Thursday and in the summer when we do Thursday runs I try to get the newsletter out by Tuesday. Sometimes — like today — it does not happen. Sorry.)
####
Sid R writes:
Got lots of good input for the repair of the leaking bladder for the
camelback — thanks to all for their thoughtfulness in responding.
Suggestions included going to the retail store for reparations, a compound
available in Rei, Mountain Chalet, etc, to plug the leak, and replacement
bladders. Thanks.
####
Tim E writes:
For three years I have been trying to hike as a guest with the AdAmAn Club.
At the last minute (actually only 180 minutes before the pre-climb meeting)
I was asked to climb as a guest. I accepted.
Somewhere above top of the W’s, Rick H was running down. Rick warned us of the ice flow at No Name Creek (awesome river of ice, I must say). On day two I saw (and got a hug from) Carol S. Carol told me we get an * on the club website for summiting today. Thx ... I am fortunate that I saw Carol.
I had the time of my life going up Pikes Peak for New Years — and being able to help the AdAmAn Club in the venture to the summit. I intend to put-together a short report of my experience with the AdAmAn Club and will be happy to copy it to you for distribution to the IC folks if you approve.
(Matt C adds: Like Tim said he got the “*” because another ICer saw him during her workout which is one of the ways to get a “*.” For example if you need to be home one time by 9 you could start your run at 6 and finish about the time we start and someone will see you. First timers don’t get that privilege or by definition we would be handing out “*”s to everyone we see. PS Seems to be a lot of “*” questions this week and the workout board shows that a lot of people are doing a lot of running this season. That excites me and I look forward to seeing some great race results:-)
####
Jim Lo writes:
Thank you so much for asking about my dog Nikki. I did find her — she
definitely slept the rest of Christmas eve.
(Matt C adds: Jim was a newbie and did not know that we are a K9 free club this year. However several of us were worried and were glad he found his dog that got away from him)
####
Joe C writes:
Managed to finish my year long streak and hope to keep it going through
2001. Miss running with the club and am looking forward to joining you
again in May.
(Matt C adds: You may remember that last year we started a contest to see who could go the most days without missing a day. As you can see Joe C (and myself) are still at it. If anyone set a New Year’s resolution this year to run every day keep me informed and I will post it. Several last year made it 3-4 months.)
####
Doug L writes again:
Greeting from the Palmer Divide:
Trust you are all enjoying life’s process and planning exciting adventures for 2001 (the space odyssey year). Towards such end here are few items you might consider including on your play calendar.
SPRING MARATHON CALENDAR
The quest (or is that Qwest in Colorado) for 50 states has reached it mid
point. Hope to add 3-5 more states this year. Spring marathons that fit into
that busy academic calendar :-) are:
February 17 — Myrtle Beach Marathon www.coastal.edu/mbmarathon note
that the entry fee goes from $40 to $65 on the 6th of January.
April 29th Jersey Shore Marathon most likely, www.njshoremarathon.org but
there are trail marathons in Wisconsin and Michigan that weekend too.
KENYAN RUNNING CAMP
Plans this year are to return to Margy’s hut for 3 or 4 nights. Tentative
date for pedaling to the hut is Monday July 23. Let me know if that time
frame works for you. I hope to finalize reservations in before spring.
Margy’s offers lots of options for running, riding and hiking. Hopefully
there will be a fun mountain trail run the weekend prior to camp. I will
keep you posted.
OTHER NOTE WORTHY EVENTS
10TH MOUNTAIN HUTS — WINTER OUTINGS
Jock Glidden, hut trip leader extraordinaire, annual outing is set for March
18 to march 22. Contact Jock at (e-mail address removed for www posting) for more information.
If you can fit this adventure into your 2001 calendar I highly recommend
you do so.
BARR TRAIL MOUNTAIN RACE
The second annual Barr Trail Mountain race is set for July 15. The first one
was a great success. Lots of good stuff for the runners and 100% of the
entry fees went to local non-profit organizations. The web site for this
event is www.runpikespeak.com.
THE PEAK
Peak weekend is August 18-19. Entries are available on line at
www.pikespeakmarathon.org. The races are filling up earlier each
year so do not wait to long if you plan to do the peak.
So little to do, so much time ;-) , hope to see many of you at one or another adventures this year, especially those residing outside the “motherland.”
happy TRAILS
####
www post:
12/31/2000 46 people came for the Sunday Long run - the last run of the
year! In about 10 years of running on the Barr Trail this was the most ice I
have ever seen at No Name Creek. The creek must be blocked somewhere because
this area looked more like an ice rink than a trail. This was last of the “shorter” long runs because next week we add on some distance. Today some of
us went exploring new trails to the right of the 7.8 mile to summit sign.
Some really nice trail and some where the trail was totally overgrown. We
popped out on Elk Park Trail at 10,270’, just .2 of a mile NW of Barr Camp.
####
Go out hard, when it hurts speed up...
Matt Carpenter
www.skyrunner.com
Top | Previous | Next | 2001 Index | Newsletter Index